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| Tweet Topic Started: May 17 2012, 05:49 AM (10,539 Views) | |
| Copy_Ninja | May 17 2012, 05:49 AM Post #1 |
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Topic to talk about the tournament in general, which is left than a month away now. To start with, the England squad  Stewart Downing? Is he really the best we can do? No goals and no assists this season, despite taking the most shots for Liverpool and he still gets in the squad? Also, Jordan Henderson got on the reserve list ahead of Michael Carrick. Carrick has been solid this season, while Henderson can't even do simple things right half the time. Also, the less said about Terry being picked ahead of Ferdinand the better... Some positives though: 1. He didn't pick Micah Richards. Look, he's pretty overrated. Glen Johnson will probably play every game anyway, so Phil Jones was the better choice. He can cover multiple positions, which is better for a limited squad. 2. Didn't pick Crouch. 3. Gerrard as captain. He was the obvious choice. I'm predicting England to finish second in the group then go out in the Quater Finals. So, same as usual then really. Oh and you'll probably see me referring to both England and Ireland as "we" because my heritage is split halfway between the two. |
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| * Bex | May 17 2012, 09:53 AM Post #2 |
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He didn't pick Carrick or Crouch because they had told him they weren't going to play for the England team if they weren't actually in the first team. They didn't want to be squad players. Stewart Downing I've not really seen much of, but considering he's a Liverpool player and they were awful this season I'd say that he was a bad choice. Welbeck is probably a better choice over Andy Carroll as well. Welbeck might not be consistent but he's had more goals than Andy Carroll has this season. They're also taking Defoe who might add some experience to the strike team. Phil Jones is a better choice than Micah Richards, however Phil Jones hasn't exactly had a good season for United. He's been pretty poor every game I've watched. I suppose the mix of defenders and midfield are okay, not the best, just okay. I can see us probably doing as badly as we did in the last World Cup though. |
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| Copy_Ninja | May 18 2012, 03:10 AM Post #3 |
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Yeah, just read about Carrick. I don't blame him, I wouldn't want to go just to sit on a bench the whole time. Also, these are the squads for all the teams going if anyone wanted to know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2012_squads |
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| * Light | May 19 2012, 03:21 AM Post #4 |
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My opinion. 1. Micah Richards should have definitely gone, with Kyle Walker injured he is in my eyes the undisputed best English right back. 2. Carrick should have been given a spot in the main squad. 3. Lennon or Adam Johnson should have been picked over Downing. 4. External factors aside, I understand Terry being picked ahead of Rio, Terry is the better player. England have got a pretty weak team, without Wayne Rooney it is a very poor striking unit, especially when we compare it to the other European teams. Henderson isn't a terrible player (not good enough yet for the Euros though), he's had a very bad season but he's been played in a position that emphasises his lack of pace, while limiting the use of his clever possession play, which when central he uses well. Wilshere is a big miss, he'd add pace and fantastic technical and passing ability in the center of the park. Joe Hart is an exceptionally talented goalkeeper so that is one positive. Gareth Barry is underrated but is slow, as is Scott Parker which means it's not going to be hard to overrun the English midfield. I think Like most people this tournament is between the Dutch, Spanish or Germans, there squads are the ones above everyone else's. I'm Welsh but always support England in tournaments so I'm still rooting for them. |
 
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| + Pelador | May 19 2012, 03:27 AM Post #5 |
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Why is Rooney not playing? Did he get suspended again? |
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| * Light | May 19 2012, 03:33 AM Post #6 |
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He misses the first two games, so he'll pay in the third and final group game. |
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| + Pelador | May 19 2012, 03:39 AM Post #7 |
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| Copy_Ninja | May 19 2012, 03:39 AM Post #8 |
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1. I think Richards is a little overrated in all honesty. He's got strength and some pace but he's often left lacking defensively and a lot of those impressive runs he does are necessary because he gets caught out of position. There's a reason that he got replaced by Zabaleta for Man City's title run in. Johnson's experience means he was always going to go and I think it's unnecessary to have two right backs when he have a limited squad. 2. Agreed, he's been consistent at least. 3. Probably, although Johnson hasn't played much this season. 4. I'd disagree on that point as well. Terry has been pretty poor recently (his capitulation against Liverpool was incredibly worrying) and he's a liability (kicking an opponent in a semi final? What a tool). He's a disruptive influence on the squad and he's too quick to mouth off about things when he shouldn't be (trying to undermine Capello at the last World Cup) and then there's the fact that he's up for racism charges. I still think Ferdinand is the better player (he can actually carry the ball out of defence) but his fitness is a concern (although he's been doing well on that front for a while). I think that Sir Alex didn't want him to go in case he got injured and that influenced the decision. |
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| * Light | May 19 2012, 03:57 AM Post #9 |
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I understand your point about Richards defensive liabilities, but the three out and out right backs England have with Johnson/Walker and Richards, Richards is a better defensive option than all three, while Walker probably offers more going forward he's worse defensively, especially positionally, although Johnson is the most experienced he's never been consistent for England and with Terry and Cole likely to start, the backline is pretty experienced. I understand Richards was dropped in the season run in but this is more because he's more offensively orientated than Zabaleta, rather than any dip in form, he got 6 league assists and played a respectable 29 league games, compared to Glen Johnsons 0 assists. Adam Johnson hasn't played enough this season but has impressed in the small amount of time he's had, he's unlucky to be in the strongest squad in the premier league, fighting for spots against insanely talented players. It's less about how well he's played, more about how bad Downing has done. Terry was terrible in the Liverpool game but overall this season has been better than Ferdinand, who has declined drastically. Terry was phenomenal in the first leg of the Barca game and that is what he can bring to England. I agree about all the distractions he could cause, I was basing it on performance only, and although Terry hasn't been incredibly convincing, he's been better this season than Ferdinand who isn't the player he used to be. John Terry is not as respectable (although Ferdinand has had his problems) and there's definitely the question that if a player is awaiting trial for something a sensitive as racial abuse should they play for England, as a player though he's solid. |
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| * Bex | May 19 2012, 06:41 AM Post #10 |
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Rio played well this season. He might not be as good as he used to be but without Ferdinand, Manchester United would have been a lot worse off. Out of the entire United team, Ferdinand was one of the better players, as with Carrick. John Terry probably has a better form at the moment but he's not the better player. Personally I think he's a complete tool off the pitch, and he's proved that he's just as big a tool on the pitch this year by kicking that guy in the back and being racist to Rio Ferdinand's brother Anton. As far as I'm concerned, after everything he continually does, he becomes more and more of a disgrace to football and shouldn't actually be allowed to play for the national team because of it. Perhaps people would let it slide if he really was a top class defender, but for England he's only ever been crap. |
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| Copy_Ninja | May 19 2012, 07:19 AM Post #11 |
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Terrys problem is against quick strikers. He'll struggle against the likes of Benzema. Also, Ferdinand is our only defender thats decent enough in possession. Terry just kicks the ball up field too often, which doesn't help for England and makes us predictable. |
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| * Light | May 19 2012, 03:06 PM Post #12 |
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Terry is a worry against the fastest strikers but this isn't something Ferdinand rectifies, as he's lost the yard of pace that made him such a good defender. Ferdinand is good in possession but England are a pretty lousy technical team, and with Wilshere out and Rooney missing the first two games the hit and hope tactic will probably be England's plan as they can't hope to match any of the big three with technical prowess but on power and pace they can try. Don't get me wrong, I think Terry is a joke and his behaviour doesn't match that of a England international and had I picked the team he wouldn't have been in it, but if I was asked to pick a team based purely on ability, Terry and Lescott would be my pair. Ferdinand can be very error prone too. As a fan of neither Chelsea or United I don't particularly like either player, Terry is just awful and Ferdinand has had his share of controversy too (drink driving, homophobic language, sex tape and of course the infamous drug ban). I don't think we're going to agree on this, which isn't surprising as it was the most controversial of Hodgson's choices. |
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| Copy_Ninja | May 19 2012, 03:18 PM Post #13 |
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Lol, we're probably not going to agree. It doesn't help that I seem to have some irrational dislike to for Terry anyway either.... Although, I will say that Ferdinand seems to accomodate for his lack of pace much better. He drops back a little earlier and gives himself that little advantage against the quicker players. He got completely outpaced by Craig Bellamy a couple of years ago and I think that he learned from that. Terry just sticks too close all the time and consequently gets left in the dust. Nemanja Vidic can have a similar problem at times, but he is undoubtedly a better defender than Terry. Moving away from England, the squads from the other Nations seem pretty standard. I will say that I like seeing the Czech Republic back at an international tournament again. They were pretty good a few years back and I always liked them. |
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| * Light | May 19 2012, 03:44 PM Post #14 |
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I like the Czech, especially a few years back when they had Nedved and Rosicky in his prime, they were exciting to watch. I'm looking forward to Germany, it is an insanely talented young team and they play exciting football, any team that can bench players like Reus/Gotze/Kroos is ridiculously lucky, same with the Spanish. I'm also excited for the Polish team, I have a lot of Polish friends so it'll be exciting watching them play with them, plus with Wojech in goal and the Dortmund trio they have a tidy team and could get past the group stages. |
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| + Rebel X | May 19 2012, 04:25 PM Post #15 |
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I'm gonna do my best to keep up with this, unlike past season where I only just catch up to whatever is going on in the cup late. |
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